allow self hosted servers

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  • 'ttushka

    +1 great idea. I'd love to introduce Discord at my work place (~150 peeps) but our data absolutely cannot leave our own LAN.

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  • ruukki

    I bet most people would just leave skype for business behind if there were dsicord alternative. Even if it would be locked behind paid 'enterprise license'. And slack is not much better than skype.

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  • ad1k4h

    Yeah, this can be a good idea, beacuse easier to Discord staff, coz not needed to keep up more servers for free, and for the community who would like to use Discord offline, or use a self-hosted server for own company. I can imagine if someone have nitro, then he/she can access to the server binaries and host its own server. Enterprise usage is an another subject. But if they not give it very expensive then a lot of people will buy nitro for server linceses.

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  • Outeanos

    >but we can't have someone else in possession of our data

    That's the whole point of Discord. Even if they don't state so, it's obvious they are zealous about keeping all our chat histories in their possession. If they were ever bought out, all that data would fetch a pretty penny.

    Of course, according to the TOS, they cannot sell our data. But the company is worth much more as long as they possess said data, since they (or whoever bought them) can use it. It's pretty obvious.

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  • unbekannt3

    Now that Teamspeak has announced their new Version with nice chat features, ts voice quality AND own servers thats imo the better product when it comes out

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  • Vlad

    It's true that with Teamspeak making a more Discord like client and also support self hosting for better reliability I do see that Discord will get some competition, or at least motivation to look into implementing an option to specify a self hosted voice IP on the server settings where you would otherwise set a region, this way you can offload voice activity onto another server that purely handles only the voice, and everything else remains like it is on Discords own terms.

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  • Rock

    Basically they will tell you no you can't host your own Discord server because you didn't make/create Discord an you will use what they provide you to use because that is how they keep it free. Do you use Discord unaware of the method that they data mine your servers to farm you for money? It's not that obvious up front but if you were able to Kubernetics your own Discord servers than you could figure out how the Blockchain and the AI scrape your data for blocks and bits. You are making them wealthy and training their AI at the same time. Congratulations, sheephearding is now 1pixel.jpg easier than a backwards P

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  • Knagie

    For some reason I was logged in under my other account. So here's the response I send but under the correct account.

    Good point I didn't think about sessions before. That would indeed make self hosting possible.
    The problem with the client could still become a problem as people will probably expect the same performance as official Discord servers and might cause confusion. But it wouldn't be a real problem I think as longs as it's made clear what is self hosted and what is hosted officially by Discord.
    >Yeah, I stopped replying to him because it's obvious he's just trying to argue and doesn't really know what he's talking about.
    If you're talking about me, you never replied to me before as I only posted one message in this thread so stop making it sound like I'm only posting to argue. I just put my in my toughts on the subject as that's what this platform is for.
    Also yes I know a bit about servers and authentication, and I'm aware I'm far from all knowing on the subject.
    So if you have something to add, like at the end of your message, please just add it and don't reply with unnecessary comment's about people.

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  • Knagie

    > > Well good for you but not everyone is like that and most will put it on less secure to no security server or know how to do it.

    > People can already do such things with and without Discord.

    No they can't with Discord, as it's not selfhosted, and afaik is there no way to steal/snoop someones IP/credentials through Discord itself, this would be possible in theory if it was selfhosted.

    > > On top of that, people would hit the less secure servers to steal data.

    > Lets just ban anyone except vetted professionals from self hosting anything then, or just get rid of all self hosted software?

    Although your message is sarcastic I do like to know what you think would happen if you login on a self hosted server with the credentials of Discord and they would get stolen because it's a malicious server. Discord would get blamed for this because someone with no knowledge of security set up a server and made a hole in the security. 
    If you say "Just let them create their own account per server" it would defeat the purpose of Discord, an environment to easily switch between servers without having to login with multiple accounts. 
    If you have to add someone 4 times because they are in 3 selfhosted servers and some official ones it would become a mess. Same with how the Discord client wouldn't show your activity when you're logged in to a private server. How many clients would there need to be so you can keep up with every server, as you can only login with 1 account per client for now.

    TS has accounts per server basically and doesn't have things like Nitro per user, only per server.
    How would you enforce the features of Nitro on selfhosted servers? Discord would get so many users complaining that their Nitro only works on official servers and not selfhosted ones.

    So it basically comes down to:
    "If they started with selfhosting from the beginning like TS3 did it would have been a different case"

    > Discord would be perfect for my workplace but we can't have someone else in possession of our data.

    Then you are more looking at something like: Discord for Business and not specifically a selfhosted version of Discord, seeing with Discord for Business they would need to sign a contract or something for GDPR rules if you're from the EU, and even outside the EU if you have Europeans working at your company.


    I do like the idea of selfhosting software but Discord has more advantage of being hosted by them then getting all the trouble with moving from the current type of hosting to selfhosting. If they started with selfhosting from the beginning like TS3 it would have been a different case. And there is not so much downtime with them hosting it as there might be with selfhosting, as the status page shows there have been almost no outages, only short hickups mostly. So saying it's not dependable enough is not an argument I would think is valid in this discussion. As said before by Slyke, both have their pros and cons. The way I look at it with the amount of people using Discord already the advantages of Discord hosting it themselves are more/better than the advantages you would get from selfhosting.

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  • devoir

    Ehmm.. This is what servers are for, you can create your own rules apart than the TOS..

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  • Kiwis

    Don't think they could do that since it exposes some of their code.

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  • Rocks the Squirrel

    Well good for you but not everyone is like that and most will put it on less secure to no security server or know how to do it. On top of that, they would bug Discord on there issues making it worse for Discord support to help with real issues with the service than already (as I see being a part of the bug hunters group)

    On top of that, people would hit the less secure servers to steal data.

    There is also the fact they already tagged the post as not planned.

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  • Rocks the Squirrel

    @slyke with a quick search, you can see those services have there issues with self hosted servers. What is really needed that Discord does not already offer for free anyways.

    @gerald For workplace, wouldn’t you also want a secure place to transfer data anyways. Not sure your looking in the right place for that as self hosted would be worse.

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  • Rocks the Squirrel

    Bad idea cause then people would use it for other means then what its intended for and most times a support nightmare. Also many may abuse it to get IPs and more.

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