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  • ! LFT Wondeys

    What about you can see who edited the message. For example: Message (edited by {name})

  • Tim

    There is still the audit log, here you could see such edits.

  • Ts

    I see a lot of people saying it can be abused, but so can things like banning, kicking, etc. All this would do is improve functionality and I would 100% love to see this implemented.

  • nani

    Now, everyone here is saying that it would be abused, but that would be entirely the server owner's wrongdoing. They were the ones who granted that permission, and they are fully responsible for what they have done within the server. 

  • Youckle_4

    Think about a server with shared admins and a welcome message with rules

    Currently only the original poster can edit this post, however I would like all my admins to be able to edit that topic.

  • Jonathan Spychala

    I run a business server and people have to present themselves in order to get access to more channels

    Sometimes in their presentation they put ads or business links...
    I would like to be able to keep their presentation but remove their commercial link

    +1 for this feature!

  • Dal Stahr

    As with posts that are edited by the owner, posts edited by those allowed to by the owner could have a clickable "edited by..." link that would pop open the list of editors.

  • Tim

    I love the idea of Dal Stahr, I would go even further in being able to see what a message was before it got edited, this is a problem I have faced in the past with removed and edited messages.

  • agenderemrys

    It surprises me this isn't already a thing - like Emcee says, forum mods could do it and it was useful there. It'd be nice to have on discord, too. We have the ability to delete other people's posts as admins and mods on discord, why not edit, too?

  • Emcee

    It could be abused but only if there is no log of who edited it. I also use Discord for the same reason. Roleplay writing websites began in forums like proboards, jcink, and invisionfree but a lot of people find that Discord can be adapted incredibly well for the same purpose. In those forums, administrators and moderators that were gifted the ability to do so (wow, this sounds a lot like the roles that Discord allows server administrators to customize), were allowed to edit other members' posts but there was always a little tag in the bottom right corner (I'm thinking of proboards at the moment), that allowed everyone who saw the post to see that it had been edited. I imagine that if you clicked on it, there was also a place it would take you to, detailing the changes. However, I never encountered a situation where I felt like I needed to click that link and neither did anyone else I knew on the sites. It was incredibly helpful for editing threads called claims where a member fills out a template form and then an administrator edits the original post to add their information. As of right now, I am the only one who can edit something like this. This makes it difficult when I'm not around for my co-admin to take care of business and everyone has to wait until I handle it. This may not sound like a big deal to you but it really halts the process for a member who just wants to get down to writing when they have to wait for something to be accepted. The whole point of having moderators and co-admin is so that all of the work doesn't fall to just you and so you don't have to be around all the time. it sucks to make people wait if you can't be on for a couple of days. A lot of us have real lives. I would love to be available all the time, but I'm not. This feature would be incredibly useful and there are ways to make it safer. For a complex, beautiful program like Discord, I think that it would be highly beneficial to at least try until there is evidence of trouble. It's not like it hasn't already taken larger risks. 

  • Kvazimado

    Strange comments, I see. It seems that wherever there is such a function, all these commentators were substituted) This function is very useful - 1. When changing the rules of the server or channel, and the author of a subject is absent. It is more convenient to make changes than to write new text (especially if the information is large). 2. Some users write bad things. And it would be possible to introduce these things into the rules, but then they will be silent. With this feature, bots will appear that will edit the words, and insert instead of a single word, either asterisks or flower names). And Yes, about abuse - and the fact that moderators can ban anyone, does it bother you? Maybe someone on your server rambunctious, and during the night all PureBasic, will go into the sunset, and you have hurt the reputation, number of friends and users will leave....Discord already provides all the features so that people with low intelligence can disturb the peace of mind of users. And one more necessary function will not affect it in any way. And you, gentlemen, I recommend to choose people who will be honest before you and before your users.

  • Marmotfox

    @monkey10012438 Yes, an edit log of some sort would be able to fix that issue (similar to the presently-existent audit log). This would prevent these issues. As I said in the original post, I believe that it would be important to have some sort of note of edits, albeit this permission is allowed on many forums without as many extensive checks, and I have never had any issues with it in all of my time being an administrator, moderator, or simply a member of several forums, just with the tag of "Edited by [Username]." However, I do appreciate the caution and think that a log of this type could be particularly handy in defense of users and the integrity of their posts.

  • Rob ( AgentoUK )

    @YLO , having this as a permission WOULD limit abuse.  If you can't trust users to edit responsibly, don't grant it. Having changes logged (textas it was before/after) would be good, but not required.  When a message is changed by the user it says (edited) it should say (last edited by @AgentoUK) The message should then be locked, so the original poster could not edit it again (and undo the changes), or even delete the message.

  • Rob ( AgentoUK )

    @monkey10012438, we all know what COULD happen if it's abused. But it's the same as any permission. Admins can delete any message already (removing the users "voice") or server mute a user ( literally removing their voice). As stated by OP, there are completely legit, and I'd argue vital, reasons for wanting this ability. If it was implemented, making it was clear it has been edited, and showing everyone what the original content was. Why would this not address most of your reservations?

  • Youckle_4

    Think about a server with shared admins and a welcome message with rules

    Currently only the original poster can edit this post, however I would like all my admins to be able to edit that topic.

  • Dal Stahr

    I've wanted to be able to collaborate with others in Discord for quite some time. Technically, I want to be able to (and have others be able to) post a message and as the poster specifically allow editing by [role].

  • ReaperRuler

    Yes, anyone can be a moderator or server admin. Using that as a fear tactic is not appropriate. If the member base doesn’t like what the administrator is doing, they leave. It’s pretty simple. Especially if it’s so easy to create a discord server.

    Using the argument that server admins can be childish and that means that no admin, responsible or otherwise, can edit messages is baseless and generalist for no reason

  • wizplusz

    I wanted to write a bot, that will shorten the urls posted to the chat. It appears i can't do that, cause the bot can only edit his own messages. Sad!

  • Romans_120

    I agree with what some of the others have said, make some accountability. And not have this function for every post, only certain ones that would be setup by admin specifically to be edited by other mods. Very useful for a policy/rules page, or an info page. The message would then say: edited by {name /or list of names} (like what !LFT Wondeys, Dahl Star and Tim) suggested above.

  • 0RI0N7

    No, it would be useful to remove unwanted links. No need bots!

  • Potzerus

    also this wouldnt make bots unneeded at all... someone would still have to edit messages manually or through a bot

  • Rob ( AgentoUK )

    I think a lot of people who saying "this will be abused" are thinking what THEY or the admins for servers they are in WOULD do. Neither of these in my opinion is a valid argument against adding this as a permission for RESPONSIBLE people to help edit rule posts etc. If you don't trust people to act responsibly, then they shouldn't have this responsibility.

  • Rob ( AgentoUK )

    So @Doggo, because YOU were childish, NOONE else can be trusted?

  • ReaperRuler

    But again, that is your problem as the server administrator to deal with. You put the person in charge and you can deal with the consequences. Plus there are plenty of bots like Logger that tell you how a message was edited so you can fix it. This fearmongering is not a solid platform for an argument. This permission should be up to the server owner’s discretion to distribute to their staff members if they see fit and it is their responsibility alone, NOT the community’s, to determine the appropriate consequences for abuse of power. Dealing with abuse of power, including the editing of people’s posts by a staff member, should be outlined in any discord server’s rules and regulations. Anyone who has a server but doesn’t have a formal rule document displayed somewhere is asking for trouble as well as abuse but that again is their cross to bear so to speak. It still should be a permission available to server admins to do with as they see fit.

    Again, if you are part of a community on a discord server with a staff member who is abusing their power, create a group chat with people you trust and discuss creating a different server and moving over there. Servers are nothing without a dedicated user base. Saying that admins shouldn’t be able to use this power because they can abuse it is baseless and wrong. Especially since you arent in power and arent making the decisions, you’re just fearmongering.

  • MyriaCore

    This actually strikes me as a really interesting idea, mainly because it would allow bot authors to effectively make their own chat commands.

    If you like the 's/typo/correction' chat command, but maybe wanted other sed-like commands, you could write a bot for that. You could allow for "did you mean x?" behavior to reprocess incorrectly written bot commands, too. If any user wanted any other chat based command to be supported, they wouldn't have to wait up for Discord Team to graciously spend their time on it - they could add it themselves. When you look at it that way, by implementing this, you'd also be implementing every "can you add chat command x?" request, which frequently pops up here in dreamland.

    Plus, this might be one of the only ways to allow for "user posted embeds" in a way that doesn't break TOS, because a bot could add an embed to a user's message as an edit.

    The way I see it, allowing for this as an *option* would do far more good than harm, especially considering most arguments against this seem to have no way of reconciling the potential good this could do other than just declaring "it'd be bad".

  • DD-HH

    Hallo

     

    ja das löschen von gelesenen und nicht mehr aktuellen Dingen sollte schnell machbar sein.

     

    So was wie > Strg+A > DEL > Enter

    Oder mit der Maus alles markieren können und dann  3Punkte > löschen auswählbar machen.

     

    Aber das will Discord wohl nicht.

  • ReaperRuler

    As a server owner who is running his server similar to a forum setup, I would definitely benefit from being able to edit posts by other users. I would only be using it on a couple of channels we have that are dynamic and updated regularly. It is far easier to be able to edit the post than to delete it and post the whole thing by myself when the idea is collaboration and crowdsourcing and the people in my server aren’t all necessarily technologically savvy but still want to help out.

    To the people who are saying it will be abused, how is that for you to decide? If you’re a staff member, you should already be enough of an adult to know how you should behave and when it is and isnt appropriate to use the edit feature. That being said, there are power-hungry admins out there, but for those who are on those servers and merely collateral damage on an ego trip, you are choosing to stay in that environment rather than splitting off and creating a better environment for your community. Limiting a feature because you’re afraid of it in your server is not an appropriate basis for an argument. This tool could be incredibly helpful for many different servers.

  • Potzerus

    Sleeping on it it might be a good idea if a message has to be made in a specific way like we have with spoiler tags so that specific perm owning people can edit it

  • ReaperRuler

    See we use the server for pokemon go and there are nests of pokemon that update every 2 weeks. Because our server covers a large area, we have a channel dedicated to reporting these nests and dedicated posters, but sometimes, it would be nice if someone other than the dedicated poster would be able to edit that persons post if they found out what was nesting there before the dedicated poster. As others have said, forums have the functionality and there’s still an equally large potential for abuse on that software as well so its only logical to allow it here and let the server admins deal with the abuse that may or may not ensue because thats what they’re there for.

  • meme

    Why should this be a feature? It makes no sense. It would only be used for abuse.

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